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Post by architechguy on Jun 7, 2012 23:18:34 GMT -5
Tech lost to Kansas State because of one reason, turnovers. That's a vintage Bill Snyder trait, his teams always win the turnover battle. They never beat themselves. They were very Denver Bronco-like last season with an offense that didn't take many risks, so it was unlikely to ever turn the ball over. In a few games , they got caught taking a knife to a gunfight. For the most part, they game managed beautifully all season long and I expect more of that this year. I just think Big 12 opponents are going to be more prepared for that against them this year.
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Post by lynchmob42 on Jun 8, 2012 9:55:12 GMT -5
Oklahoma 8-1 Texas 7-2 West Virginia 6-3 Kansas State 6-3 TCU 5-4 Oklahoma State 5-4 Texas Tech 4-5 Baylor 4-5 Iowa State 3-6 Kansas 3-6 By the way, you have a cumulative conference record of 51 and 39.
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Post by cynicalpuppet on Jun 8, 2012 10:16:40 GMT -5
I have to say, it is refreshing to watch a Bill Snyder team play. It's a conservative approach, but it's one that is time-tested and is like an old shoe...it seems to fit just right.
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Post by lynchmob42 on Jun 8, 2012 11:24:44 GMT -5
Last year's Snyder team was a swing in the opposite direction. Almost like Mike Leach moving to TTU.
OU even benefited from it. Blake Bell ran scout team QB before KSU, and became the Belldozer after pretending to be Collin Klein.
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Post by architechguy on Jun 8, 2012 11:50:44 GMT -5
By the way, you have a cumulative conference record of 51 and 39. Hmmm, so I need 6 fewer wins, and 6 more losses? Change my Kansas State prediction to 0-9... that should fix it! I keed, I keed! Like I said, I didn't go team by team on those predictions, I just slotted out about where I thought teams would end up. Next time I'll be more vague to avoid this problem! Seriously though, I couldn't agree more about KSU swinging the style back in the other direction. Texas has done the same thing, and the conference as a whole needs that. We need more exposure to the more traditional style of game that we see other conferences running. Whichever teams we end up sending to the BCS can't afford to see that style of play for the first time when they get to the biggest stage.
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Post by lynchmob42 on Jun 8, 2012 12:02:22 GMT -5
Sep 15 TCU @ KU
Sep 22 KSU @ OU
Sep 29 BU @ WVU TTU @ ISU UT @ OSU
Oct 6 ISU @ TCU KU @ KSU OU @ TTU WVU @ UT
Oct 13 TCU @ BU KSU @ ISU OSU @ KU OU v. UT WVU @ TTU
Oct 20 BU @ UT ISU @ OSU KU @ OU KSU @ WVU TTU @ TCU
Oct 27 BU @ ISU UT @ KU TTU @ KSU TCU @ OSU
Nov 3 KU @ BU OU @ ISU OSU @ KSU TCU @ WVU UT @ TTU
Nov 10 BU @ OU ISU @ UT KU @ TTU KSU @ TCU WVU @ OSU
Nov 17 KSU @ BU ISU @ KU OU @ WVU TTU @ OSU
Nov 24 BU v. TTU OSU @ OU TCU @ UT WVU @ ISU
Dec 1 KU @ WVU OU @ TCU OSU @ BU UT @ KSU
Baylor: 3-6 Iowa State: 4-5 Kansas: 0-9 Kansas State: 6-3 Oklahoma: 9-0 Oklahoma State: 4-5 Texas: 7-2 Texas Christian: 6-3 Texas Tech: 2-7 West Virginia: 4-5
Obviously not all correct, and there are teams I have a lot less information on than others. Bottom line is that wins are tough to come by outside of playing KU.
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Post by lynchmob42 on Jun 8, 2012 12:05:02 GMT -5
In order:
1. Oklahoma (9-0) 2. Texas (7-2) 3t. Kansas State (6-3) Texas Christian 5t. Iowa State (4-5) Oklahoma State West Virginia 8. Baylor (3-6) 9. Texas Tech (2-7) 10. Kansas (0-9)
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Post by architechguy on Jun 8, 2012 12:45:04 GMT -5
Since you lined them up for me, I'll give it another whirl...
Sep 15 TCU @ KU
Sep 22 KSU @ OU
Sep 29 BU @ WVU TTU @ ISU UT @ OSU
Oct 6 ISU @ TCU KU @ KSU OU @ TTU WVU @ UT
Oct 13 TCU @ BU KSU @ ISU OSU @ KU OU v. UT WVU @ TTU
Oct 20 BU @ UT ISU @ OSU KU @ OU KSU @ WVU TTU @ TCU
Oct 27 BU @ ISU UT @ KU TTU @ KSU TCU @ OSU
Nov 3 KU @ BU OU @ ISU OSU @ KSU TCU @ WVU UT @ TTU
Nov 10 BU @ OU ISU @ UT KU @ TTU KSU @ TCU WVU @ OSU
Nov 17 KSU @ BU ISU @ KU OU @ WVU TTU @ OSU
Nov 24 BU v. TTU OSU @ OU TCU @ UT WVU @ ISU
Dec 1 KU @ WVU OU @ TCU OSU @ BU UT @ KSU
Baylor: 4-5 Iowa State: 1-8 Kansas: 1-8 Kansas State: 5-4 Oklahoma: 8-1 Oklahoma State: 5-4 Texas: 7-2 Texas Christian: 4-5 Texas Tech: 4-5 West Virginia: 6-3 I think that adds up, but my math might be shaky.
That makes the final standings...
OU Texas West Virginia Kansas State Oklahoma State TCU Texas Tech Baylor Kansas Iowa State
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Post by Mohawk on Jun 8, 2012 14:45:31 GMT -5
archi, K-State scored 32 ppg last season, and should be improved offensively. Snyder typically sees big improvement in QBs who are returning starters. K-State looked challenged against OU, UT, and Arky last season. Those are good to great defenses. Kansas at 3-6? Who will they beat? There is a site that came out yesterday with a point spread on EVERY D-I game for next season. Kansas wasn't less than an 18 point underdog in any conference game. I think KU will surprise some people this year. This year they'll finally get ISU at Lawrence after 3 years, and the last two games at Ames could have gone either way. Also KU had a one point loss to The RG3 led Baylor Bears last year. They also had a 20 point lead on TT before the lack of depth caught up with them in the 4th quarter. All that with the worst coach in the history of mankind. I think the Jayhawks will go 2-7 in conference with the two wins coming against ISU, Baylor, TT, or TCU. More importantly we won't be seeing the 50-60 point blowouts.
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Post by architechguy on Jun 8, 2012 15:06:08 GMT -5
Futures bets are normally sucker bets in the first place, but anybody who bets the over/under for wins with Big 12 teams this year is just begging for trouble. We have two brand new teams who nobody knows how they'll adjust. Two 10 win teams from last year have new QBs. One team has a brand new coach. That's half the conference.
Look at the known commodities in this conference... a mediocre at best Texas Tech team. An Iowa State team that's just a shade better than that. An overachieving Kansas State team. A Texas team still without a unquestioned QB, and ole reliable Oklahoma. Of the 10 teams in the league, there's only one (maybe two) teams that you're reasonable certain you know what you're going to get.
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Post by lynchmob42 on Jun 10, 2012 8:24:52 GMT -5
More importantly we won't be seeing the 50-60 point blowouts. 2-7 might happen. 1-8 is probably most likely. That's still really bad. I'd love to take a bet on KU NOT getting blown out by 50 points. Turner Gill is still a much better coach than Terry Allen.
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Post by Bone Crusher on Jun 11, 2012 9:07:10 GMT -5
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Post by architechguy on Jun 11, 2012 10:32:42 GMT -5
I think both of those teams are going to be surprised at the depth of the conference. They simply have no gauge for how good teams like Iowa State or Tech really are. I have Iowa State at 1-8 and I think that's way low and totally unfair for a team that just went to a bowl game. They beat the #3 team in the country last year, Tech beat a top 5 team as well. It's not that WVU and TCU don't know the teams in the Big 12 are good, it's just that they haven't gone through it before. There's only so much they can prepare for without having first hand experience.
If you show up flat against a MWC team, you may find yourself down 7 or 10 points in the 2nd quarter. If you show up flat against a Big 12 team, then you'll be down 3 or 4 TDs in a heartbeat. Every one of our teams has been in that game they should be winning, but they look up and somehow it's 28-6 in the 2nd quarter.
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Post by Bone Crusher on Jun 11, 2012 15:53:30 GMT -5
I think both of those teams are going to be surprised at the depth of the conference. They simply have no gauge for how good teams like Iowa State or Tech really are. I have Iowa State at 1-8 and I think that's way low and totally unfair for a team that just went to a bowl game. They beat the #3 team in the country last year, Tech beat a top 5 team as well. It's not that WVU and TCU don't know the teams in the Big 12 are good, it's just that they haven't gone through it before. There's only so much they can prepare for without having first hand experience. If you show up flat against a MWC team, you may find yourself down 7 or 10 points in the 2nd quarter. If you show up flat against a Big 12 team, then you'll be down 3 or 4 TDs in a heartbeat. Every one of our teams has been in that game they should be winning, but they look up and somehow it's 28-6 in the 2nd quarter. +1 That is exactly what Utah had to deal with last season in the Pac-12 which was their first season in a BCS conference. Ute fans did admit that the Utes didn't play hard in every MWC game and were able to get away with it many times. That is why they had a 4-5 record that was closer to being 2-7 than people realize (close wins @ Arizona and @wsu). Just look at Miami during their Big East days compared to their ACC days. WVU and TCU are in for a surprise this year for sure.
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Post by architechguy on Jun 12, 2012 11:27:06 GMT -5
Utah is a great example. In their game against USC, which was really a top ten team last season if they were eligible to be ranked, Utah lined up for a game tying field goal on the last play of the game that was ultimately blocked. They were in that game until the very end though.
I expect the same from WVU and TCU. They're going to look really good in some of their games, and they're going to look really bad in some games! Like everybody else in the Big 12, they're going to be uber-psyched for Texas and Oklahoma, but maybe a little less psyched up for games like Kansas, ISU or Tech.
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